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Alucard

Balancing The light and dark

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This is simply a question to the community, or should i say kinmunity, (hehe bad puns)

well any way my question would be what would you all rank your kin types as holy, unholy, good, evil, light, dark.

how do you all feel? and have you ever attacked other otherkin on there standing to this.

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Well, I only have one kintype, and that's Lucifer.

 

I would rank this as holy, and dark. I wouldn't exactly use 'evil' necessarily, although as the Devil he sort of embodies it as a force, but as a person I would not say he is truly evil so I don't classify him as such.

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Well, I only have one kintype, and that's Lucifer.

 

I would rank this as holy, and dark. I wouldn't exactly use 'evil' necessarily, although as the Devil he sort of embodies it as a force, but as a person I would not say he is truly evil so I don't classify him as such.

 

I wouldn't say Lucifer to be all that evil i think he gets a bad rap, but compared to god hes the lesser evil.

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Is "neutral" an option too? Don't see my theriotype on either side.

 

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+ attack someone on their standing on this? like physically? No!

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I wouldn't say Lucifer to be all that evil i think he gets a bad rap, but compared to god hes the lesser evil.

The way I view God is part of where my beliefs branch out into pantheism, so I'd have to disagree with you there. I think they each have their jobs to do, I think the jobs are difficult and I don't think the human conception of 'evil' can necessarily be applied to either of them, so it does make for an interesting discussion.

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The way I view God is part of where my beliefs branch out into pantheism, so I'd have to disagree with you there. I think they each have their jobs to do, I think the jobs are difficult and I don't think the human conception of 'evil' can necessarily be applied to either of them, so it does make for an interesting discussion.

 

all i know is one flooded the earth killing millions when the other simply tells people to do what they already wanted to do, this i can counter you on as God in the old testament is not a nice person

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Is "neutral" an option too? Don't see my theriotype on either side.

 

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+ attack someone on their standing on this? like physically? No!

 

 

Sure i would say neutral can be.

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Anyway, what do you mean by "their standing on this" ?

 

"I hate you because I'm an angel and you are a demon!!111!" ?

that'd be pretty stupid if you ask me.

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Is "neutral" an option too? Don't see my theriotype on either side.

 

edit:

+ attack someone on their standing on this? like physically? No!

 

 

sure i would say can be

Anyway, what do you mean by "their standing on this" ?

 

"I hate you because I'm an angel and you are a demon!!111!" ?

that'd be pretty stupid if you ask me.

 

standing as do they rate there kin type as good or evil and do they attack evil or good kin-types because of it,

 

what i find stupid is if some one claims to be a angel yet gets along with a demon, but that is just me

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what i find stupid is if some one claims to be a angel yet gets along with a demon, but that is just me

Well, we're all human in our present lives, so there's no reason really for them not to get along. We aren't that same entity currently, so why should it matter? Deer and wolf therians get along just fine.

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Well, we're all human in our present lives, so there's no reason really for them not to get along. We aren't that same entity currently, so why should it matter? Deer and wolf therians get along just fine.

 

true true.

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standing as do they rate there kin type as good or evil and do they attack evil or good kin-types because of it,

 

what i find stupid is if some one claims to be a angel yet gets along with a demon, but that is just me

 

why would that be stupid? It's not like either of them CHOSE it. Besides, we are all physically humans right now so.. who cares?

(This kinda reminds me of the one AA video, Some WC fiction-kin of abused vs WC fiction-kin abusers... )

 

EDIT: I see Cipher beat me to this

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what i find stupid is if some one claims to be a angel yet gets along with a demon, but that is just me

 

Why is that stupid? We are all physically human, so why not get along regardless of kintype? Our kintypes do not define our relationships.

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Why is that stupid? We are all physically human, so why not get along regardless of kintype? Our kintypes do not define our relationships.

 

I feel the wolf / deer reference is wrong here. Imagine you have the wolf-kin m-shifting. How is that wolf supposed to know the other person is a deer-kin? To the wolf, it's just a human.

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I feel the wolf / deer reference is wrong here. Imagine you have the wolf-kin m-shifting. How is that wolf supposed to know the other person is a deer-kin? To the wolf, it's just a human.

 

Oops I edited out that reference because Cipher used the same exact one. :P That is my point, though. Even in M-shifting, kintype doesn't matter in relationships with other 'kin

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I don't think life is as black and white as you think it is. However, I'll give my two cents.

 

Being Creation would probably put me on the good end of the scale but thats also not totally accurate. Like anyone I am capable of bad stuff just as much as the good.

 

I would also never physically attack someone else there was an actual reason for it (like a fight or something). It would be based on that person as a whole though, like I don't care who or what you are, an arse is an arse all the same.

 

what i find stupid is if some one claims to be a angel yet gets along with a demon, but that is just me

 

See, that's some weird logic you got going on there not to mention archaic thinking.

 

EDIT

 

People beat me to this point already.

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I feel the wolf / deer reference is wrong here. Imagine you have the wolf-kin m-shifting. How is that wolf supposed to know the other person is a deer-kin? To the wolf, it's just a human.

Not really; as we say all the time, we're human now and therefore have control over our actions. Even if you are a wolf in an m-shift, it's not like you're going to see a deer--you're going to see just that, a human, not a deer. At most, the person might feel frightened and run away.

 

Edit: actually, we're saying the same thing, which is the point I was trying to make. It's useless, for example, to wonder why angelkin and demonkin would be friends, because it should be obvious in that deer and wolf therians get along just fine because all they see even in an m-shift are other humans. Those old rivalries don't apply when we're all human.

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Not really; as we say all the time, we're human now and therefore have control over our actions. Even if you are a wolf in an m-shift, it's not like you're going to see a deer--you're going to see just that, a human, not a deer. At most, the person might feel frightened and run away.

 

Edit: actually, we're saying the same thing, which is the point I was trying to make. It's useless, for example, to wonder why angelkin and demonkin would be friends, because it should be obvious in that deer and wolf therians get along just fine because all they see even in an m-shift are other humans.

.. that's exactly what I said..

I'll open another thread about this topic. getting a bit offtopic here.

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Talking about "holy, unholy, good, evil, light, dark" also assumes that everyone has the same ideas about good, evil, and morality that you do. But that's something that changes with culture and personal beliefs. For example, in Catholicism, any spirit that isn't a mortal creature or of Heaven is classed as a demon, but for someone who isn't Catholic, they don't believe their nature spirits or deities to be demons. What you see as an unnatural friendship might not be to someone else.

 

Besides, like others have said, we're all also human right now, and our present colors our experience as much as our pasts or our inner natures. It would be a huge waste to give up a friendship because you can't see the commonalities between you and someone else, regardless of your differences. You'd be losing out on learning about new perspectives or making a good friend. Ultimately we're all also human, and it makes sense to find common ground, learn new things, and make friendships.

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Ancient dragons only believed in two ways, light and dark. Since, as Firesong has mentioned, good and evil are matters of perspective they cannot be enforced whereas light and dark and obvious forces, certain acts darken the soul, certain acts brighten it (i won't use the term enlighten since it is a misuse of the word)

 

As such ancient dragons tried to maintain a balance between the light and the dark, I can't say they did this without failure but we still tried

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It seems kind of strange to me to try and think of my kintypes as either "good" or "evil". Good and evil are human concepts. There are no evil wolves, nor are there particularly good wolves - we're animals, we do what our instincts tell us to do. Survive, protect the pack, procreate, etc. With theriotypes and animal-like kintypes, it's as simple as that.

 

But even humans aren't "good" or "evil". We're way more complex than that. Same with any kind of entity with advanced intelligence (yes, including angels, demons, etc.) - I identify as a demonic entity and, yes, I see myself as dark (and probably unholy too tbh), but I'm not evil. I'm neutral, with some good aspects. Dark =/= evil. Unholy =/= evil.

 

And I get along pretty well with angelkin. Angelkin are cool.

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Eh, probably neutral, all things considered. Using human ideas of good and evil is a bit tricky, so I prefer to apply the general "do no harm" moral system since not harming others is generally considered to be "good morals".

Despite being a dragon, a species stigmatized as being violent and destructive, I was neither of those, much preferring peace and good conversation over violence. I wasn't necessarily benevolent either. I didn't go out of my way to care for very many people, with the exception of one or two. With the exception of hunting, I didn't often kill, (and there were specific rules and conventions for hunting, so as to be honorable to the hunted. Prayers and such).

 

Now as far as "attacking other otherkin", I wouldn't say that I consciously have. I have been attacked for the aforementioned reason of "not embodying draconity", but other than that, not so much.

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In all honesty, I do not believe their is such thing as "good" and "evil". I see them as concepts created by humans in order to better categorize and understand the things around them.

 

In this scenario, my kin-type would be considered "bad". Nekomata are considered killers, since many tales feature them burning down buildings, manipulating the dead, and killing and eating people.

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Well this one certain got heated, and wthen i asked this very question a few days ago in chat, almost everyone was unanimous in declaring evil as merely a set of actions someone takes under very soecific circumstances, rather then some kind of force that exists in nature. For if good is not absolute then neither is evil, and i firmly believe that there is nothing in the universe that is absolutely good or bad. Even the devil himself whose only sin according to mythology was to disobey god. Im sorry christians but that in itself is not an evil act, esspecially not for the god of the old testament who was quite happily destroying cities filled with women and children (and sodomites) and commiting genocide against neumerous people. Anyway that is my two cents on the conversation above.

 

As for finding a balance i think its critical. We all have the capacity to do goid and evil. It is ultimately up to us to choose our own path on that minefield.

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everyone and everything has the ability to be both good and evil, it just depends on the circumstances. personally, though I am a demon, I still strive to be good, do good, and help people, the terms evil and good are subjective, and depends on the circumstances at hand, but kin, and therefore us as people, are not inherently good or evil, and as a Christian, and friends with an Angelkin or two I can say, it doesn't matter. to say it does, would be holy/unholy indignation. which there is no need for there to be.

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